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02/14/2013 10:00 AM House FISHERIES


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                       February 14, 2013                                                                                        
                           10:12 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Representative Lynn Gattis                                                                                                      
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bob Herron                                                                                                       
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Kurt Olson                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW:  DERELICT VESSELS ON STATE LANDS                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WYN MENEFEE, Chief of Operations                                                                                                
Division of Mining, Land and Water (DMLW)                                                                                       
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided the overview on derelict vessels                                                                
on state lands.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL LUKSHIN, State Ports and Harbor Engineer                                                                                
Division of Statewide Design and Engineering Services                                                                           
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOTPF)                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Contributed to the overview on derelict                                                                  
vessels on state lands.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CARL UCHYTIL, Vice President                                                                                                    
Alaska Assoc. of Harbormasters & Port Administrators (AAHPA)                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Contributed  to the  overview on  derelict                                                             
vessels on state lands.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL LORD, Representative                                                                                                     
Alaska Clean Harbors Program                                                                                                    
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified during  the hearing  on derelict                                                             
vessels on state lands.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN HAWKINS, Harbormaster                                                                                                     
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified during  the hearing  on derelict                                                             
vessels on state lands.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:12:16 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  PAUL   SEATON  called  the  House   Special  Committee  on                                                             
Fisheries meeting to order at 10:12  a.m.  Present at the call to                                                               
order  were Representatives  Seaton, Kreiss-Tomkins,  and Gattis;                                                               
Representative Feige arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^Overview:  Derelict Vessels on State Lands                                                                                     
           Overview:  Derelict Vessels on State Lands                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:12:39 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
an overview of derelict vessels on state lands.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:12:51 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WYN MENEFEE,  Chief of Operations,  Division of Mining,  Land and                                                               
Water (DMLW),  Department of Natural  Resources (DNR),  said that                                                               
derelict vessels are  a problem and can be found  in a variety of                                                               
areas, which  include:  state  submerged lands,  state tidelands,                                                               
state shore-lands  and inland  on navigable  freshwaters, general                                                               
state lands listed  as multiple use, critical  habitat areas, and                                                               
in state  parks.  The derelicts  may be ship or  dinghy sized and                                                               
can  be defined  in a  number  of ways,  including:   shipwrecks,                                                               
abandoned  vessels, old  float-homes, private  vessels, and  work                                                               
vessels.   He reviewed the departmental  authority, defined under                                                               
statute  AAC  96.020, which  covers  boat  anchoring but  doesn't                                                               
provide  for enforcement.   Boats  are allowed  anchorage for  11                                                               
days without  question, but after  14 days authorization  must be                                                               
secured  from DNR's  Division of  Mining, Land  and Water  (DMLW)                                                               
usually in  the form  of a  lease, or  right of  way permit.   He                                                               
pointed  out  that  DNR  lacks   enforcement  authority  to  fine                                                               
violators, or, under  the land law, direct authority  to seize or                                                               
take control of a derelict vessel.   He explained that there is a                                                               
procedure  that allows  abandoned  vessels to  be  dealt with  by                                                               
following  a lengthy  public  notice process.    Under AS  30.30,                                                               
language  does address  abandoned and  derelict vessels,  placing                                                               
the issue under  the purview of the  Department of Transportation                                                               
& Public Facilities (DOT&PF); authority  which has been delegated                                                               
in  specific  instances  to  DNR.    Permitting  for  cleanup  of                                                               
shipwrecks and vessels is authorized through DMLW.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:17:10 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MENEFEE stressed  that pro-active,  prevention measures  are                                                               
not included  under AS 30.30.   There  are no statutory  means to                                                               
prevent  vessels  from  becoming  derelict and  abandoned  or  to                                                               
provide a disincentive  to boat owners, thus the focus  is on how                                                               
to clean  up after the fact.   Generally owners don't  have money                                                               
for  removal, and  disposal becomes  a challenge.   Abandoning  a                                                               
vessel   on   state   lands   is    cheaper   than   paying   for                                                               
removal/disposal  and boats  are often  scuttled in  state waters                                                               
and then  wash ashore.   Scuttled vessels  are a problem  as they                                                               
often  have  contaminates   aboard  presenting  an  environmental                                                               
concern, they  may drift below surface  into navigation channels,                                                               
and they  are expensive to  remove.   He provided a  chart titled                                                               
"Shipwrecks  and Abandoned  Vessels Removed,"  to illustrate  the                                                               
number  of derelicts  reported  by DNR  from  2004-2012, and  the                                                               
number  that  the agency  has  removed.    The department  has  a                                                               
backlog of  94 abandoned vessels  identified on state  lands, but                                                               
the scope of the issue  expands far beyond the catalogued number.                                                               
He said  removal costs vary  according to the situation  posed by                                                               
each derelict and the progress is slow but continuous.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:21:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  noted the discrepancy  between the                                                               
number  of derelicts  identified versus  the number  removed, and                                                               
said the gap seems to have widened  in recent years.  He asked if                                                               
there is a reason for the trend.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MENEFEE  responded that  there is not  a 1:1  relationship of                                                               
report  and removal,  due to  departmental  staffing and  funding                                                               
abilities.  He said  it is not common to begin  work on a cleanup                                                               
activity and in  doing so identify several more  derelicts in the                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS questioned  why the discrepancy has                                                               
expanded.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MENEFEE offered that in  recent years the department has been                                                               
focusing on stewardship  responsibilities that require additional                                                               
time  in the  field,  which  then leads  to  more discoveries  of                                                               
derelicts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:23:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON asked if there is a catalogue of abandoned vessels.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MENEFEE said  presently there  are  94, with  many more  not                                                               
reported to the  database.  He said staff is  being encouraged to                                                               
begin adding each new derelict  to the catalogue.  He underscored                                                               
that  the  scope  of  the   problem  is  greater  than  the  data                                                               
indicates.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:24:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MENEFEE reviewed  the removal  of two  62 foot  vessels from                                                               
Jakolof Bay,  near Homer, at a  cost thus far of  $250,000, which                                                               
included:   raising, removal of hydrocarbons,  stabilization, and                                                               
towing to  Homer for placement  in dry  storage.  It  is possible                                                               
that some  costs can  be recovered through  auction, or  they may                                                               
increase if  disposal is  required.  Last  May, near  Seattle, he                                                               
reported,  a  140 foot  sunken  vessel  cost Washington  and  the                                                               
federal  government $5.4  million for  cleanup and  disposal, and                                                               
another recently  reported sinking in  the same area  is expected                                                               
to cost  over $1 million.   He noted that Washington  State has a                                                               
derelict  vessel   removal  account   funded  by  a   $3.00  boat                                                               
registration fee, as a means to defray these costs.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:27:36 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MENEFEE  directed attention to  the committee  packet handout                                                               
titled "Derelict  Vessels and Shipwrecks  on DNR  managed lands,"                                                               
to  illustrate the  two  Jakolof Bay  cleanup  sites, with  color                                                               
photographs indicating the petroleum  sheens around the submerged                                                               
vessels.   The boats were in  poor condition and had  been denied                                                               
harbor entrance.  Without access to  tie up to a float, they were                                                               
anchored on state land, and eventually sank due to snow load.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:28:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON said the committee  now understands the scope of the                                                               
issue and can consider statutory  measures.  Proactive approaches                                                               
will require state  agency coordination, he said,  to avoid these                                                               
expensive removal projects.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:29:58 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  LUKSHIN, State  Ports and  Harbor Engineer,  Division of                                                               
Statewide   Design  and   Engineering  Services,   Department  of                                                               
Transportation &  Public Facilities  (DOTPF), paraphrased  from a                                                               
prepared statement,  which read as follows  [original punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  State   of  Alaska  has   over  33,900   miles  of                                                                    
     coastline, far greater than the  total coastline of the                                                                    
     other  remaining  49  states combined.    Although  the                                                                    
     number of  abandoned and derelict vessels  in Alaska is                                                                    
     unknown, these  vessels are a public  nuisance.  Having                                                                    
     effective  legislation is  important in  protecting the                                                                    
     environment and  it will  provide a  significant public                                                                    
     benefit to property owners and the municipalities.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     AS 30.30  was established in  1975.  At that  time, the                                                                    
     Department  of Public  Works (DPW)  owned  most of  the                                                                    
     public harbors in  the state.  As such, it  was not too                                                                    
     uncommon for  the DPW  to have to  deal with  sunken or                                                                    
     abandoned  boats  within  these  state  owned  harbors.                                                                    
     When  DPW merged  with the  Department  of Highways  in                                                                    
     1977,  DOT&PF  inherited  responsibility for  AS  30.30                                                                    
     even though  abandoned and derelict  vessels are  not a                                                                    
     core function of the department.   AS 30.30 needs to be                                                                    
     updated  to allow  any State  of Alaska  department and                                                                    
     all municipalities to have these powers.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     DOT&PF supports  the statutory changes proposed  by the                                                                    
     Alaska   Association   of    Harbormasters   and   Port                                                                    
     Administrators.  Since 1986,  DOT&PF has transferred 75                                                                    
     percent   of  its   state   owned   harbors  to   local                                                                    
     municipalities.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Prior to the FV Kupreanof  and the FV Leading Lady, the                                                                    
     most  recent similar  Alaskan problem  was the  sinking                                                                    
     and  raising of  a  137-foot landing  craft called  the                                                                    
     Sound Developer  in 2009  at the mouth  of the  City of                                                                    
     Cordova's harbor.   The final  bill for the  effort was                                                                    
     over $5M.  That was about  the same cost ($5M) that the                                                                    
     State  of Washington  paid to  deal  with the  clean-up                                                                    
     efforts after the  FV Deep Sea sank  right over Whidbey                                                                    
     Island's famed shellfish beds on  May 12, 2012.  On the                                                                    
     extreme end of  the scale, it cost the  Coast Guard ten                                                                    
     months and  $22M to clean-up an  abandoned 430-foot ex-                                                                    
     World  War  II  Navy   Liberty  Ship  called  the  Davy                                                                    
     Crockett  that was  being illegally  scrapped and  that                                                                    
     broke apart on  the Columbia River in 2010.   There are                                                                    
     an ever growing number  of potential and real abandoned                                                                    
     and derelict  vessels in Alaska's waters.   Since there                                                                    
     are  many older,  less efficient  boats  still able  to                                                                    
     float  (especially old  wooden boats),  in addition  to                                                                    
     boats removed  from fishing due to  rationalization and                                                                    
     the IFQ programs,  this problem will not go  away.  The                                                                    
     suggested  legislative  changes  to  AS  30.30,  if  in                                                                    
     effect  at the  time,  would have  allowed  DNR to  act                                                                    
     immediately  in  the  case of  the  Kupreanof  and  the                                                                    
     Leading Lady.  The powers  afforded in AS 30.30 need to                                                                    
     be   shared  with   any   state   department  and   any                                                                    
     municipality.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  asked whether DNR has  a dedicated                                                               
fund to handle the clean-up of a derelict vessel.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. LUKSHIN  said that  DOTPF does not  have funds,  and declined                                                               
response regarding the DNR budget.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:35:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON   inquired  about  the  issue   of  documented  and                                                               
undocumented  vessels and  asked how  this aspect  of concern  is                                                               
handled.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LUKSHIN  deferred, suggesting it  may fall under  the purview                                                               
of the U.S. Coast Guard (USCG).                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON   referred  to  the  resolution   from  the  Alaska                                                               
Association  of Harbormasters  and  Port Administrators  (AAHPA),                                                               
available in  the committee packet,  and suggested that  it would                                                               
be necessary  to understand the documentation  aspect, if further                                                               
regulation  or  statute  were  to be  considered.    The  state's                                                               
authority may not be any more  inclusive and helpful than that of                                                               
a municipality for seizing derelict vessels.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LUKSHIN  commented that some municipalities  have local codes                                                               
but the codes  are not uniform across the state.   He opined that                                                               
state statute could  provide legal purview and  suggested that it                                                               
should be extended to local authorities throughout the state,                                                                   
including incorporated as well as un-incorporated areas.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:37:52 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CARL   UCHYTIL,    Vice   President,   Alaska    Association   of                                                               
Harbormasters and  Port Administrators (AAHPA),  paraphrased from                                                               
a   prepared  statement,   which   read   as  follows   [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The  Alaska  Association   of  Harbormasters  and  Port                                                                    
     Administrators in our  Resolution 2012-02 strongly urge                                                                    
     support  to  proposed  changes  in  Chapter  30.30  for                                                                    
     Abandoned  and   Derelict  Vessels.     AAHPA  believes                                                                    
     delegation  of authority  under  State  Statute to  the                                                                    
     local municipalities  is a step in  the right direction                                                                    
     in turning  the tide of abandoned  and derelict vessels                                                                    
     in the State.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The condition of vessels operating  in the State Waters                                                                    
     of  Alaska is  diverse.   [Ranging] from  modern yachts                                                                    
     and  well  maintained  80-yr. old  wooden  trollers  to                                                                    
     relatively new  but decrepit live  a-boards to  turn of                                                                    
     the century  abandoned tug boats.   The Harbormaster is                                                                    
     consistently looking for tools  to help best manage his                                                                    
     harbor  facility  while  keeping   a  vigilant  eye  on                                                                    
     vessels which  encroach on tidelands which  they may or                                                                    
     may not have authority to act on.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     This  proposed authority  is necessary,  throughout the                                                                    
     state, but  especially in smaller  coastal communities,                                                                    
     where legal  and enforcement resources are  not readily                                                                    
     available to  deal with the liabilities  and hazards of                                                                    
     abandoned and  derelict vessels.  The  construction and                                                                    
     operations  of   harbors  by   the  AK   Department  of                                                                    
     Transportation  shortly  after  statehood  resulted  in                                                                    
     regulations  which empowered  only ADOT  to effectively                                                                    
     deal with troublesome vessels.   Expanding the language                                                                    
     to include not  only ADOT but other  state agencies and                                                                    
     municipalities would appear to be sound legislation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     This  proposed delegation  of  authority  to the  local                                                                    
     municipality  will  help  to  refine  the  relationship                                                                    
     between  state  and city/borough  responsibilities  and                                                                    
     will enable  harbormasters in communities  with limited                                                                    
     legal  resources or  limited  local  ordinances to  act                                                                    
     with confidence  in prosecuting derelict  and abandoned                                                                    
     vessels.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The modifications  to Chapter  30.30 appear to  have in                                                                    
     place, sufficient authority  which encourages the state                                                                    
     or municipality  to act in  a timely manner  and before                                                                    
     the vessel is  in extremis.  This  is important because                                                                    
     of  the disposal  cost associated  with  a vessel  that                                                                    
     afloat  is a  small fraction  of  what it  cost once  a                                                                    
     vessel takes on water,  is submerged or discharges fuel                                                                    
     or oil.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The  Alaska  Association   of  Harbormasters  and  Port                                                                    
     Administrators  thank  you  for your  consideration  of                                                                    
     this   important   issue   to   the   Alaskan   coastal                                                                    
     communities.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:41:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. UCHYTIL, responding  to a question from  the committee chair,                                                               
opined that the  City and Borough of Juneau  (CBJ) has sufficient                                                               
authority  to  act  strategically  and tactically  to  deal  with                                                               
derelict  vessels, but  small communities  don't have  regulatory                                                               
ordinances  or  the  resources necessary  to  clean  up  tideland                                                               
areas.   The proposed change to  AS 30.30 would help  the smaller                                                               
communities   immensely,  and   also   eliminate  the   ambiguity                                                               
regarding the responsible agency.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON asked  about the need to  include language regarding                                                               
the handling of hazardous waste associated with the vessels.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. UCHYTIL concurred that such language would be helpful.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  offered to receive  further suggestions  from AAHPA                                                               
for inclusion  in the  proposed legislation,  and he  asked about                                                               
information  regarding   the  ability  for  the   USCG  to  seize                                                               
documented vessels.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  UCHYTIL suggested  that the  USCG has  purview over  vessels                                                               
that are  in open water;  undocked.  The  CBJ has the  ability to                                                               
impound abandoned vessels at the docks.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:44:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL  LORD,  Representative,   Alaska  Clean  Harbors  Program,                                                               
stated support  for the proposed  legislation, and said  that the                                                               
age  of  the  fishing  fleet  may  begin  to  coincide  with  the                                                               
appearance of  more derelicts in  the coming decade.   The Alaska                                                               
Clean Harbor Program  is working with legal counsel  to develop a                                                               
working database of the derelict  and abandoned vessels in harbor                                                               
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:46:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN HAWKINS,  Harbormaster, said Homer has  regained 1,400 feet                                                               
of moorage  space through  the removal of  derelict vessels.   He                                                               
said  the   work  was  accomplished   with  the  help   of  local                                                               
contractors, to  break-up vessels  with an  average length  of 90                                                               
feet.   The  bottom line  is that  dealing with  derelict vessels                                                               
could be called  the hot potato management plan, as  no one wants                                                               
to  handle  it;  however,  it should  be  a  proactive  endeavor.                                                               
Recognizing the problem  and developing a plan  is necessary, and                                                               
a revenue  source will need  to be identified.   He cited  a bill                                                               
being proposed  in Washington State which  stipulates that vessel                                                               
past a certain  age would require approval by  authorities as fit                                                               
for resale, to ensure maintenance has kept the vessel viable.                                                                   
10:49:35 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Fisheries meeting  was adjourned  at 10:49                                                               
a.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
News articles on Derelict vessels in Alaska.pdf HFSH 2/14/2013 10:00:00 AM
Derelict Vessel
AAHPA-Resolution-No-2012-02.doc HFSH 2/14/2013 10:00:00 AM
Derelict Vessel
Draft Language - Derelict vessels - for discussion purposes.doc HFSH 2/14/2013 10:00:00 AM
Derelict Vessel
Seattle Times article on Derelict vessel issue in Washington State.pdf HFSH 2/14/2013 10:00:00 AM
Derelict Vessel
Washington State Derelict Vessel Program Brochure.pdf HFSH 2/14/2013 10:00:00 AM
Derelict Vessel
Derelict Vessel Letter - Sitka.docx HFSH 2/14/2013 10:00:00 AM
Derelict Vessel
Abandoned and Derelict Vessel Removal USCG.pdf HFSH 2/14/2013 10:00:00 AM
Derelict Vessel
SignedUSCG_USACE_MOU_Obstructions.pdf HFSH 2/14/2013 10:00:00 AM
Derelict Vessel
Derelict Vessels Presentation.pdf HFSH 2/14/2013 10:00:00 AM
Derelict Vessels
Derelict vessels.pdf HFSH 2/14/2013 10:00:00 AM
derelict vessels